the way to have action. he didn't need to undermine america's national security to pursue whatever his conscious led him to do. there's a process by which he could have pursued his interest in a way that doesn't undermine the national security of the united states. when we have our sources and methods known by our enemies, we undermine the national security of the united states. i would say it's easy since we have not, thank god, had an attack on american soil since september 11th, to minimize the threat, but it's real. and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. we have to do it right 100% of the time. that's a tough standard. >> and a key member of your committee from california who's chair of the subcommittee dealing with russia seems to have sympathy with edward snowden. this is him yesterday on c-span. >> i thought he was being loyal to the rest of us by letting the american people know that the government was getting out of hand. accepting him for asylum, i think, was not as hostile an act as its being portrayed. >> do you agree with those views on edward snowden and russia?